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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VITA did my taxes for several years, but  in 2008 there was a tragic mistake. I was overpaid $800. When I asked them why I wouldn&#039;t get back as much in 2009 the guy looked at my 2008 taxes &amp; said &quot;oh, they did this wrong, you were over paid, just tell the IRS you didn&#039;t know&quot;. Well, I got a letter from the IRS in 2010. Not only do I have to reimburse the $800, I was charged a penalty &amp; interest is compiling daily. This is a great tragedy for me as I am at poverty level. The IRS has since taken off the penalty, but my interest still mounts daily. I have gotten at least $500 to $700 in refunds for many years. Wouldn&#039;t you know it, this year I get a whopping $45 refund. So there&#039;s no hope in just using a refund this year to re-pay the error. VITA tells me they are strictly volunteer. I feel they should pay the interest on this.  I didn&#039;t sign any paper that said I wouldn&#039;t hold them responsible if errors occurred.  Every time I try to talk to them about it, they remind me &quot;we&#039;re only volunteers&quot;. I don&#039;t feel they should be tackling on these positions if they are not better qualified.  This is going to be a great burden on me to come up with payments to clear this up. And I know for a fact, the IRS will garnish wages. I have seen it done where they take a COMPLETE paycheck.  I don&#039;t feel the VITA workers have the kindness in their hearts to know how bad these mistakes  make on the lives of the less fortunate. Perhaps this organization should be unable to do tax preparation services. The office they are in have workers, I know THEY get paid. I know they pay rent on the office. Some way, they should have to pay the interest. From here on, I will warn people of this tax preparation service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VITA did my taxes for several years, but  in 2008 there was a tragic mistake. I was overpaid $800. When I asked them why I wouldn&#8217;t get back as much in 2009 the guy looked at my 2008 taxes &amp; said &#8220;oh, they did this wrong, you were over paid, just tell the IRS you didn&#8217;t know&#8221;. Well, I got a letter from the IRS in 2010. Not only do I have to reimburse the $800, I was charged a penalty &amp; interest is compiling daily. This is a great tragedy for me as I am at poverty level. The IRS has since taken off the penalty, but my interest still mounts daily. I have gotten at least $500 to $700 in refunds for many years. Wouldn&#8217;t you know it, this year I get a whopping $45 refund. So there&#8217;s no hope in just using a refund this year to re-pay the error. VITA tells me they are strictly volunteer. I feel they should pay the interest on this.  I didn&#8217;t sign any paper that said I wouldn&#8217;t hold them responsible if errors occurred.  Every time I try to talk to them about it, they remind me &#8220;we&#8217;re only volunteers&#8221;. I don&#8217;t feel they should be tackling on these positions if they are not better qualified.  This is going to be a great burden on me to come up with payments to clear this up. And I know for a fact, the IRS will garnish wages. I have seen it done where they take a COMPLETE paycheck.  I don&#8217;t feel the VITA workers have the kindness in their hearts to know how bad these mistakes  make on the lives of the less fortunate. Perhaps this organization should be unable to do tax preparation services. The office they are in have workers, I know THEY get paid. I know they pay rent on the office. Some way, they should have to pay the interest. From here on, I will warn people of this tax preparation service.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Latest tax preparation news &#8211; VITA Tax Return Preparation Volunteers are Wrong 41% of the Time</title>
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		<title>By: Lawyer Section</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawyer Section</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going with the tax code being to complicated. How many people actually file their taxes correctly. That would be an interesting stat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going with the tax code being to complicated. How many people actually file their taxes correctly. That would be an interesting stat</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,

Agreed. The more complex the tax return the less likely it is that any two tax preparers will come to the same result. There is probably a range of correct answers rather than just one correct answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>Agreed. The more complex the tax return the less likely it is that any two tax preparers will come to the same result. There is probably a range of correct answers rather than just one correct answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I agree with you that the tax code is way too complex.  

It was Money Magazine that used to run  an annual survey of a variety of tax pros.  Here&#039;s a link to an article on one of their annual surveys:

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_archive/1992/03/01/87178/index.htm

If there had been blogs in those days, the headline of a blog post describing that Money Magazine survey could have read &quot;Tax Pros are wrong 100% of the time.&quot;

But that would have been a misleading headline, because the Money Magazine tax scenario was a very unusual and complicated tax situation, deliberately constructed to create the possibility for errors.  I&#039;m sure it was not true back then that tax pros were wrong 100% of the time--it was just that 100% of them were wrong on the particular scenario Money Magazine chose.

Similarly, I&#039;m sure that the preparers who made mistakes on the rather unrepresentative scenario (for a VITA site) of the non-itemizing real estate taxpayer are not wrong 100% of the time.  In fact, the taxpayers who got that particular aspect of their TIGTA Secret Shopper&#039;s return wrong handled every other aspect of the TIGTA Shopper&#039;s return in a completely accurate way.

That doesn&#039;t excuse the mistake they made, but it does mean that the 41% statistic cited in your headline probably overstates the error rates they make on actual returns that they do for real live taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I agree with you that the tax code is way too complex.  </p>
<p>It was Money Magazine that used to run  an annual survey of a variety of tax pros.  Here&#8217;s a link to an article on one of their annual surveys:</p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_archive/1992/03/01/87178/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_archive/1992/03/01/87178/index.htm</a></p>
<p>If there had been blogs in those days, the headline of a blog post describing that Money Magazine survey could have read &#8220;Tax Pros are wrong 100% of the time.&#8221;</p>
<p>But that would have been a misleading headline, because the Money Magazine tax scenario was a very unusual and complicated tax situation, deliberately constructed to create the possibility for errors.  I&#8217;m sure it was not true back then that tax pros were wrong 100% of the time&#8211;it was just that 100% of them were wrong on the particular scenario Money Magazine chose.</p>
<p>Similarly, I&#8217;m sure that the preparers who made mistakes on the rather unrepresentative scenario (for a VITA site) of the non-itemizing real estate taxpayer are not wrong 100% of the time.  In fact, the taxpayers who got that particular aspect of their TIGTA Secret Shopper&#8217;s return wrong handled every other aspect of the TIGTA Shopper&#8217;s return in a completely accurate way.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t excuse the mistake they made, but it does mean that the 41% statistic cited in your headline probably overstates the error rates they make on actual returns that they do for real live taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Thank you for visiting. Here is an excellent article titled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessknowhow.com/money/25errors.htm#&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Avoid 25 Common Tax Return Errors&lt;/a&gt; published by Ernst &amp; Young.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Thank you for visiting. Here is an excellent article titled <a href="http://www.businessknowhow.com/money/25errors.htm#" rel="nofollow">Avoid 25 Common Tax Return Errors</a> published by Ernst &amp; Young.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of the instructors and quality reviewers at the AARP/VITA site where I volunteer.  I would like to know the kinds of errors that slip through because I would concentrate on those areas in next year&#039;s training.   As noted in the story, the secret shoppers set up the volunteers to make mistakes on what to them will be exotic items.  Is there any study that shows what the error rate is on returns done for normal clients?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the instructors and quality reviewers at the AARP/VITA site where I volunteer.  I would like to know the kinds of errors that slip through because I would concentrate on those areas in next year&#8217;s training.   As noted in the story, the secret shoppers set up the volunteers to make mistakes on what to them will be exotic items.  Is there any study that shows what the error rate is on returns done for normal clients?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, 

I think all of these studies are misleading.

I remember a time when they gave nationally recognized tax professionals a hypothetical set of facts and had them prepare a tax return.

Everyone came up with a different answer.

The tax code is too complex even for people who do this stuff for a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, </p>
<p>I think all of these studies are misleading.</p>
<p>I remember a time when they gave nationally recognized tax professionals a hypothetical set of facts and had them prepare a tax return.</p>
<p>Everyone came up with a different answer.</p>
<p>The tax code is too complex even for people who do this stuff for a living.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was also very troubled to read the TIGTA VITA report.  It should be noted that most of the errors found involved fairly small dollar amounts.  

The most common error TIGTA secret shoppers discovered was preparer failure to deduct the new &quot;non-standard standard deduction&quot; for up to $500 of real estate taxes paid by a non-itemizing taxpayer ($1,000 on a joint return).  Because the secret shopper taxpayer was in the 10% bracket, this error meant that his tax liability was computed to be $50 higher than it should have been.  If he&#039;d been a real taxpayer, he would have lost out on $50 to which he was entitled.

That might not seem like a lot of money to many people, but it is certainly a meaningful sum to VITA taxpayers, and I took care to create a Quality Review process at my site that ensured our taxpayers got the benefit of that particular provision of the law as well as the many other provisions that apply to low-income working families and senior citizens.

According to the TIGTA report, the problems they found happened almost entirely at VITA or AARP sites that did not comply with the strict IRS requirements to follow a Quality Review process mandated by the IRS.  

I feel very strongly about the importance of Quality Review.  Anyone can make a mistake, which is why every return at our VITA site is reviewed under a multistep process even more rigorous than IRS requires.  

It&#039;s very disturbing to me that so many other VITA sites were not even complying with the minimum quality review process requirements.  The study demonstrates that the IRS has good reason to insist that volunteer sites adhere to their quality review guidelines.   

Eligibility for the non-standard standard deduction for real estate taxes is so rare among actual VITA clients (even though the TIGTA used it in 25% of their secret shopper scenarios, only 1% of actual VITA taxpayers are eligible for it) that it would be a very easy oversight for a volunteer preparer to make.  That&#039;s exactly the kind of oversight that a quality reviewer using the punch list we have at our VITA site is designed to catch.

Studies have shown that punch lists make a difference--whether it&#039;s making sure that doctors don&#039;t leave sponges in bodies during surgery or preparers don&#039;t make mistakes in doing tax returns!

You also raised the question about error rates by paid preparers. 

Here&#039;s a link to an interesting study done by a law professor and an IRS employee showing many large errors in EITC returns by a variety of types of paid preparers.  Error rates were unacceptably large across the board, but surprisingly the returns prepared by chain preparers had lower error rates than the returns prepared by CPAs and lawyers!
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1454795

Of course, there are always concerns about the sampling methodology in all type of studies like these.  It&#039;s hard to know whether the sample that was analyzed may have been unrepresentative due to left-out variable bias or some other methodological error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was also very troubled to read the TIGTA VITA report.  It should be noted that most of the errors found involved fairly small dollar amounts.  </p>
<p>The most common error TIGTA secret shoppers discovered was preparer failure to deduct the new &#8220;non-standard standard deduction&#8221; for up to $500 of real estate taxes paid by a non-itemizing taxpayer ($1,000 on a joint return).  Because the secret shopper taxpayer was in the 10% bracket, this error meant that his tax liability was computed to be $50 higher than it should have been.  If he&#8217;d been a real taxpayer, he would have lost out on $50 to which he was entitled.</p>
<p>That might not seem like a lot of money to many people, but it is certainly a meaningful sum to VITA taxpayers, and I took care to create a Quality Review process at my site that ensured our taxpayers got the benefit of that particular provision of the law as well as the many other provisions that apply to low-income working families and senior citizens.</p>
<p>According to the TIGTA report, the problems they found happened almost entirely at VITA or AARP sites that did not comply with the strict IRS requirements to follow a Quality Review process mandated by the IRS.  </p>
<p>I feel very strongly about the importance of Quality Review.  Anyone can make a mistake, which is why every return at our VITA site is reviewed under a multistep process even more rigorous than IRS requires.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s very disturbing to me that so many other VITA sites were not even complying with the minimum quality review process requirements.  The study demonstrates that the IRS has good reason to insist that volunteer sites adhere to their quality review guidelines.   </p>
<p>Eligibility for the non-standard standard deduction for real estate taxes is so rare among actual VITA clients (even though the TIGTA used it in 25% of their secret shopper scenarios, only 1% of actual VITA taxpayers are eligible for it) that it would be a very easy oversight for a volunteer preparer to make.  That&#8217;s exactly the kind of oversight that a quality reviewer using the punch list we have at our VITA site is designed to catch.</p>
<p>Studies have shown that punch lists make a difference&#8211;whether it&#8217;s making sure that doctors don&#8217;t leave sponges in bodies during surgery or preparers don&#8217;t make mistakes in doing tax returns!</p>
<p>You also raised the question about error rates by paid preparers. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to an interesting study done by a law professor and an IRS employee showing many large errors in EITC returns by a variety of types of paid preparers.  Error rates were unacceptably large across the board, but surprisingly the returns prepared by chain preparers had lower error rates than the returns prepared by CPAs and lawyers!<br />
<a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1454795" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1454795</a></p>
<p>Of course, there are always concerns about the sampling methodology in all type of studies like these.  It&#8217;s hard to know whether the sample that was analyzed may have been unrepresentative due to left-out variable bias or some other methodological error.</p>
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