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	<title>Comments on: White House Says DOJ Tax Division Nominee is Qualified, I say Bologna</title>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.pappasontaxes.com/index.php/2009/06/19/white-house-says-doj-tax-division-nominee-is-qualified-i-say-bologna/comment-page-1/#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven,

I  wasn&#039;t praising Ms. O&#039;Connor&#039;s job performance, but merely pointing out that historically the DOJ Tax Division heads have been well-grounded in tax law.

The fact that someone who is had extensive tax experience ends up doing a bad job as tax division head is irrelevant.

Unless you are suggesting that &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; we have &lt;em&gt;past&lt;/em&gt; tax division heads who had significant tax backgrounds we should dispense with the requirement that &lt;em&gt;future&lt;/em&gt; tax division heads have tax experience.

Of course, in order to support that recommendation you would first have to conclude that the conjunction of two independent events - the tax experience of Eileen O&#039;Connor and her bad performance as Tax Division head - are somehow causally connected.

There is no evidence of that.

If Ms. O&#039;Connor failed to do a good job as tax division head, basic principles of logic require that we conclude that her bad performance was &lt;em&gt;in spite of &lt;/em&gt;her tax background and not because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven,</p>
<p>I  wasn&#8217;t praising Ms. O&#8217;Connor&#8217;s job performance, but merely pointing out that historically the DOJ Tax Division heads have been well-grounded in tax law.</p>
<p>The fact that someone who is had extensive tax experience ends up doing a bad job as tax division head is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Unless you are suggesting that <em>because</em> we have <em>past</em> tax division heads who had significant tax backgrounds we should dispense with the requirement that <em>future</em> tax division heads have tax experience.</p>
<p>Of course, in order to support that recommendation you would first have to conclude that the conjunction of two independent events &#8211; the tax experience of Eileen O&#8217;Connor and her bad performance as Tax Division head &#8211; are somehow causally connected.</p>
<p>There is no evidence of that.</p>
<p>If Ms. O&#8217;Connor failed to do a good job as tax division head, basic principles of logic require that we conclude that her bad performance was <em>in spite of </em>her tax background and not because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven M. Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven M. Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - Bologna.  You are much too kind to an appointment that is actually worse than baloney.  BTW, I did not mean to endorse your praise of certain prior AAG&#039;s, one qualified, one not so, because neither  (in my opinion) deserved &quot;A&quot;s.  One was a C- and the other a B. 

IRS-CI is nearly in shambles.  Let&#039;s wait to see how the POTUS messes that one up too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; Bologna.  You are much too kind to an appointment that is actually worse than baloney.  BTW, I did not mean to endorse your praise of certain prior AAG&#8217;s, one qualified, one not so, because neither  (in my opinion) deserved &#8220;A&#8221;s.  One was a C- and the other a B. </p>
<p>IRS-CI is nearly in shambles.  Let&#8217;s wait to see how the POTUS messes that one up too.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WD Kebchull,

Thanks for the comment.

I&#039;m not sure I get the &quot;IRS swindle&quot; you are talking about.

Any links?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WD Kebchull,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I get the &#8220;IRS swindle&#8221; you are talking about.</p>
<p>Any links?</p>
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		<title>By: WD Kebchull</title>
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		<dc:creator>WD Kebchull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some have argued that the Tax Division at the Justice Department has a role in Tax Policy.

Now here is what the opponents to the appointment of Mary Smith to head the Tax Division at the Justice Department running scared:

&quot;She had previously received a B.S., magna cum laude, in mathematics and computer science from Loyola University of Chicago&quot;.

Having Mary Smith head the Tax Division at the Justice Department would be like having Harry Markopolos (B.S. Loyola College in Baltimore), the Madoff Ponzi Scheme whistleblower, working at the SEC.  In his 60 Minutes interview Markopolos indicated that he had taken intergral and differential calculus, linear algebra, and normal and non-normal statistics.

Unlike prior assistant attorneys general that have headed the Tax Division at the Justice Department, Mary Smith would have no trouble recognizing the multi-billion fraud on the Treasury that has resulted from the exclusion of ALL taxes entered on lines 10 and 21 of Form 1040 from alternative minimum taxable income since 1988.  See section 56(b)(1)(D) of the Internal Revenue Code and line 8 on Form 6251 (2008).

Also, there is IRS&#039;s swindle of millions of taxpayer that has resulted from the inclusion of itemized deduction recoveries in the income based phase-out calculations of deductions, exclusions, exemptions, eligibilities, and credits in violations of section 111(a) of the Internal Revenue Code. This swindle goes back to at least 1980.

If a $500 state income tax refund in 2008 was added on line 10 of Form 1040 and then included in overlapping phase-outs of the Social Security benefit exclusion and the Hope Education Credit for two students per IRS instructions, the refund could have produced $472 (nominally)of tax on a taxpayer in the 15 percent tax bracket. Thus, it should be evident that something is seriously wrong with the instructions.  BTW, the $500 used for the state income tax overpayment in 2007 could have yielded $369 of tax.  So the total tax on $500 of real income could total $841.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have argued that the Tax Division at the Justice Department has a role in Tax Policy.</p>
<p>Now here is what the opponents to the appointment of Mary Smith to head the Tax Division at the Justice Department running scared:</p>
<p>&#8220;She had previously received a B.S., magna cum laude, in mathematics and computer science from Loyola University of Chicago&#8221;.</p>
<p>Having Mary Smith head the Tax Division at the Justice Department would be like having Harry Markopolos (B.S. Loyola College in Baltimore), the Madoff Ponzi Scheme whistleblower, working at the SEC.  In his 60 Minutes interview Markopolos indicated that he had taken intergral and differential calculus, linear algebra, and normal and non-normal statistics.</p>
<p>Unlike prior assistant attorneys general that have headed the Tax Division at the Justice Department, Mary Smith would have no trouble recognizing the multi-billion fraud on the Treasury that has resulted from the exclusion of ALL taxes entered on lines 10 and 21 of Form 1040 from alternative minimum taxable income since 1988.  See section 56(b)(1)(D) of the Internal Revenue Code and line 8 on Form 6251 (2008).</p>
<p>Also, there is IRS&#8217;s swindle of millions of taxpayer that has resulted from the inclusion of itemized deduction recoveries in the income based phase-out calculations of deductions, exclusions, exemptions, eligibilities, and credits in violations of section 111(a) of the Internal Revenue Code. This swindle goes back to at least 1980.</p>
<p>If a $500 state income tax refund in 2008 was added on line 10 of Form 1040 and then included in overlapping phase-outs of the Social Security benefit exclusion and the Hope Education Credit for two students per IRS instructions, the refund could have produced $472 (nominally)of tax on a taxpayer in the 15 percent tax bracket. Thus, it should be evident that something is seriously wrong with the instructions.  BTW, the $500 used for the state income tax overpayment in 2007 could have yielded $369 of tax.  So the total tax on $500 of real income could total $841.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, my post is an argument, not a rant.

Rants lack facts, arguments do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, my post is an argument, not a rant.</p>
<p>Rants lack facts, arguments do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another tax lawyer,

Eileen O&#039;Connor had substantial tax experience, that is readily apparent and it is why I mentioned her.

She may have been a horrible Tax Division leader for all I know, but that is not the point.

The position requires knowledge of substantive tax law and Mary Smith doesn&#039;t have that knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another tax lawyer,</p>
<p>Eileen O&#8217;Connor had substantial tax experience, that is readily apparent and it is why I mentioned her.</p>
<p>She may have been a horrible Tax Division leader for all I know, but that is not the point.</p>
<p>The position requires knowledge of substantive tax law and Mary Smith doesn&#8217;t have that knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abe, 

Thanks for your kind comments.

I think the appointment of Ms. Smith is more about cowtowing to special interest identity groups than it is about finding the best candidate for the job.

But Obama isn&#039;t the only one who plays that game.

Like Tip O&#039;Neil said, &quot;politics ain&#039;t bean bag.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abe, </p>
<p>Thanks for your kind comments.</p>
<p>I think the appointment of Ms. Smith is more about cowtowing to special interest identity groups than it is about finding the best candidate for the job.</p>
<p>But Obama isn&#8217;t the only one who plays that game.</p>
<p>Like Tip O&#8217;Neil said, &#8220;politics ain&#8217;t bean bag.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: just another tax lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>just another tax lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 00:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you guys have short term memory problems or what-?! Lee O&#039;Connor was a lightweight for that job when she started and there was little to no improvement for her entire tenure. If she knew tax law, it was a well kept secret- and don&#039;t get me started on her lack of litigation experience.  I&#039;m not crazy about the Smith appointment either but don&#039;t justify your rant by holding Lee O&#039;Connor up as the benchmark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you guys have short term memory problems or what-?! Lee O&#8217;Connor was a lightweight for that job when she started and there was little to no improvement for her entire tenure. If she knew tax law, it was a well kept secret- and don&#8217;t get me started on her lack of litigation experience.  I&#8217;m not crazy about the Smith appointment either but don&#8217;t justify your rant by holding Lee O&#8217;Connor up as the benchmark!</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Carnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe Carnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your courageous blog. Thanks for telling the truth. I am a CPA who teaches nationwide continuing professional education in taxation, so I know something about our field. I am not qualified to judge our President&#039;s appointments in other fields, but in taxation, which I know a bit about, I see that our President&#039;s nominations are unqualified. Makes me wonder about the rest of his appointments. Are they equally &quot;qualified&quot;? Yikes!

Abe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your courageous blog. Thanks for telling the truth. I am a CPA who teaches nationwide continuing professional education in taxation, so I know something about our field. I am not qualified to judge our President&#8217;s appointments in other fields, but in taxation, which I know a bit about, I see that our President&#8217;s nominations are unqualified. Makes me wonder about the rest of his appointments. Are they equally &#8220;qualified&#8221;? Yikes!</p>
<p>Abe</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, 

I meant bologna - - - fancy baloney.

&lt;em&gt;From Wikipedia&lt;/em&gt;: Bologna can alternatively be made out of chicken, turkey, beef, or pork. It is commonly called bologna and often pronounced and/or spelled baloney.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, </p>
<p>I meant bologna &#8211; - &#8211; fancy baloney.</p>
<p><em>From Wikipedia</em>: Bologna can alternatively be made out of chicken, turkey, beef, or pork. It is commonly called bologna and often pronounced and/or spelled baloney.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven M. Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven M. Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you mean &quot;baloney?&quot;  Whichever, you are 100% correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you mean &#8220;baloney?&#8221;  Whichever, you are 100% correct.</p>
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